Interview with Ed Marciniak
QUESTION 13
SHEILA C. BERNARD:

Can you describe the meeting with Mayor Daley the next day? What you told me before was that the mayor was looking for something he could respond to and say yes to--

ED MARCINIAK:

Yeah. In the, in the meeting that was held the next day with the mayor and the leadership of the, ah, freedom movement and Martin Luther King, ah, each of these demands were discussed. And it was very interesting. The freedom movement wanted to get a no out of the mayor on each of demands and he refused. And ev- every time they tried to get a no out of him he'd say, "Well we could look at it from this perspective and maybe we could do something over here." Ah, the one place where he almost said no was on the, ah, ah, demand for a police civilian, ah, police review board. And the mayor's answer was, "Well, I'm against it because my superintendent of police is against it. But I'd be happy to talk to him about it again." Ah, and, but that was the tenor of the conversation and I, I think they were, ah, they were expecting something different. When they came out and met with the press, ah, they said that, the freedom movement said that they didn't get anything. Well, it's true. They didn't get anything because this was not the meeting, ah, in which, ah, specific things, ah, were talked about. But s- specific things could have been talked about, but they weren't.

SHEILA C. BERNARD:

I'm just not understanding this. The mayor said yes to--

ED MARCINIAK:

No. He never said no to any of them. He had, he had a c--

SHEILA C. BERNARD:

Can you also start with Mayor Daley

ED MARCINIAK:

Yeah. Mayor, Mayor Daley in this meeting, ah, with the leadership of the freedom movement and Martin Luther King said no to none of their demands. Ah, what he did was to try to see whether it was possible, ah, to, ah, meet the demands in some way. Half way, minor, in a minor way, but to meet it. A- and, ah, they just couldn't take it because they were looking for nos. And I, I remember repeatedly somebody would say you mean you're saying no. And mayor's saying, "No, I'm not. I'm, why don't we try it this way?" Or whatever, whatever was the possibi- ah, whatever might have been the possibility he was trying to, ah, draw it out at them and come to some, ah, meeting on it.