So was it naive of the Chicago freedom movement to target open housing as a simple issue that they could--you had the right to be served?
Well, it, no. It's not naive to talk about open housing as a clear cut moral issue.
I'm sorry--I was talking, could you start again?
Oh. It, the, it was, it is na-aive[SIC]--It was not naive for the freedom movement to talk about open housing, fair housing as a moral issue, as a civil rights issue. That's clear. The question is how do you change generations of racial segregation and discrimination in housing? What are the best methods for doing it? And that's where the disagreement comes about. Are you right or am I right? And the approach that we're going to take to do it. Am I going too slow? You want me to go faster than I'm capable of doing. That's where the arguments are about. They were not about the principle.