Was there a conflict in the ministry between working within the system and working without the system? Was he more respectful of one than the other?
Well, the mayor was not only the mayor of Chicago. He was the head of the Democratic Party. Ah, he was a political animal. Very political. And therefore, he was sensitive to the, the concerns and the demands of the ward committeemen and the political leadership which surrounded him and which made him the, the chief of the Cook County Democratic party. Ah, he, he, ah, he, ah, I think he had a difficult time understanding, ah, the political role of people who didn't run for political office. And who made demands but were not willing to test, ah, the, the proposals and the ideas before the people. If, and so he had a natural respect for anybody, even if the person lost or opposed him if the person ran for office. But if, if he or she did run for office, ah, his attitude was, ah, why do I have to pay attention that much? I'd rather pay attention to the people who are active in the political system.