I'M GOING TO START WITH A, A NICE GENERAL QUESTION UH, AT THE 1964 CONVENTION, WHO WERE THE DELEGATES, WHO WAS REPRESENTED IN THE PARTY AND WHO WASN'T REPRESENTED IN THAT, IN THAT LARGE GROUP OF DELEGATES?
Well, as, as all Democratic conventions, it was enormous. I think we had two or three thousand delegates and in most cases, they represented uh, the rank and file of Democrats across the board. Unfortunately, and that was the problem, there were several states in the deep South that had uh, closed party systems uh, that in effect, sealed black Democrats from the process. And that's why Mississippi came up front, because that was a classic segregated political party in which uh, blacks need not apply.