This was right before Ali went to the Houston Induction that you spoke with him constantly all the time. What was some of the counseling that you gave Ali before he was supposed to appear, appear before the Houston Induction Board?
Well, before he was, ah, to appear before the Induction Board--
Before Ali was in, ah--
Say, start again--
OK, yes, Before Ali was, ah, to appear before the Induction Board, he called me that morning, as he do most mornings and most nights, and he was asking me, you know, like what do you think going to happen, not that what he should do. I think Ali was already convinced in his own conscious that he was going to stand up for his principles but he always liked to bounce it off to me how I felt about it because we also realized the repercussion that this could have about his career**. So he had made up his mind that he was going to stand up for his principles and that what, what else can he, I, I tell him? I said, "No, you just must, you know, be convinced in your own mind and conscious that what you are doing is right, 'cause whatever come after, you're going to be the person that is required to, to get any reward or any punishment." So he, he had made up his mind, he was convinced that he would take a stand on the side of what we called the injustice. Ah, that he would not be a party to a, an unjust war.
Great. Cut. Good, good, that's a very good answer.