He was known as Cassius Clay the fighter, at the time.
Beg your pardon?
Had his name been changed to Muhammad Ali?
Yes, his na- no, his name was, ah, Cassius Clay, his name was, was, since--
Why don't you start from the top.
Yes, it was, OK, ah, you want me to start at the top, you mean go back, OK, the first time I met Ali was after he had fought, ah, Sonny Liston, but his name then was Cassius Clay, before then. And, ah, it was, ah, at one time, and I was in my studio, had my own camera studio, My father called me that night and asked me did I know how to get in touch with, ah, Cassius Clay. And I told him, "Yes, I can call somebody in Miami." He said, "Well, get in touch with him and let him know that his name is not, ah, Cassius Clay no more, his name is Muhammad Ali**, and also his brother, ah, Rudy[SIC], ah, Rock, Rock, Rurudy, his name is M- Mus- ah, we--"
Let take a second.
Now I'm forgetting his old name.
Rudy, wasn't, Rudie Clay, but no, his name was not Rudy, Rudolph, so I'll try to save that for another interview.