Interview with Herbert Muhammad
QUESTION 3
SAM POLLARD:

He was known as Cassius Clay the fighter, at the time.

HERBERT MUHAMMAD:

Beg your pardon?

SAM POLLARD:

Had his name been changed to Muhammad Ali?

HERBERT MUHAMMAD:

Yes, his na- no, his name was, ah, Cassius Clay, his name was, was, since--

SAM POLLARD:

Why don't you start from the top.

HERBERT MUHAMMAD:

Yes, it was, OK, ah, you want me to start at the top, you mean go back, OK, the first time I met Ali was after he had fought, ah, Sonny Liston, but his name then was Cassius Clay, before then. And, ah, it was, ah, at one time, and I was in my studio, had my own camera studio, My father called me that night and asked me did I know how to get in touch with, ah, Cassius Clay. And I told him, "Yes, I can call somebody in Miami." He said, "Well, get in touch with him and let him know that his name is not, ah, Cassius Clay no more, his name is Muhammad Ali**, and also his brother, ah, Rudy[SIC], ah, Rock, Rock, Rurudy, his name is M- Mus- ah, we--"

SAM POLLARD:

Let take a second.

HERBERT MUHAMMAD:

Now I'm forgetting his old name.

SAM POLLARD:

Rudy.

HERBERT MUHAMMAD:

Rudy, wasn't, Rudie Clay, but no, his name was not Rudy, Rudolph, so I'll try to save that for another interview.