That was the thing that I could never envision, beforehand. I remember being at a workshop and asking Jim Lawson, "Well, what happens when the police come and say they'll arrest us." And he would respond, and I must have asked him four or five times, that same thing, but what—you know, and what I was really trying to get him to do, was somehow say, well, everything will be all right, and of course he couldn't say that. ** And it was really strange, because I had no way of envisioning myself in jail, and how that would be. You know, it was like somehow, a wall here, the end of life, that I couldn't see behind. And after that workshop, I told the other people there, I said, you know, I'm really not going to demonstrate with you. ** I was afraid of going to jail. I said, "I'll do telephone work, and I'll type, and what have you, but I'm really afraid to go to jail." And—and I meant it. And like I said earlier, the movement had a way of reaching inside you and when the time came to go to jail, I was far too busy to be afraid. And we had to go, that's what happened.