I guess his fire was very much in evidence that day. C.T. Vivian made an initial presentation. He was the person who presented our, our position to the Mayor, to Mayor Ben West on the steps that day, in Nashville. And he was an eloquent spokesperson. His, his fire, was very much in evidence that day. He, he has a certain commitment in his personality that really pervades the things he does and says, and, and that was his role that day, to make our, state our position.