I have a couple more questions. One is that
The only response I can make is that they were all examined by competent people other than Detroit police, there--
I'm sorry, I just need you to you to repeat my question. Did the police use excessive force?
There was one instance where several Detroit police officers were tried, they were not convicted of, of murder. There were other instances where excess force was charged and not proven. I think that in any of those kind of situations you'd find that those charges are always rampant, and generally when you get down into the investigatory aspects of it, there's some reason that the force was used. I think that the same is true on both sides. Police in many instances felt that they were, were being treated unfairly when they get shot at, and probably they responded in kind.