How do you feel about using guns for, for social change? How did you feel at that time?
Well I felt every man is shaped by his experience, and I served as a 19 year-old in the infantry in World War II. I didn't think that guns solved an awful lot. I mean we beat Hitler but I didn't think that we needed to take World War II to the streets of California. And I thought that the use of guns, even if they weren't fired, by these people, was extremely dangerous, ah, and could lead to, to real problems.