When did you first hear about the Black Panther Party and sort of describe that what you thought about them when you heard about them?
Well, it was in the middle of 1960s, '66, around there. Ah, and we heard about some individuals who were, ah, having confrontation and, with the police in, ah, parts of Oakland. And I thought they were another nut group, which California had then a fair quota on.
When did you first hear about the Black Panther Party and talk about that.
Well, I think they came to our attention in the middle of the 1960s. We heard about, ah, a group identified as the Black Panthers who were having confrontational encounters with the police departments in, in Oakland. And they're style of operation, ah, was very angry, very confrontational and we thought we had another, ah, nut group, ah, seeking violent solutions to society's problems, loose in Oakland.