What was the reputation of the Oakland Police in terms of--
--police department in 1967, '66, '67?
Well I think it's, it's difficult to say what the reputation of the Oakland Police Department was at that time. I think there were individual officers who might have been, ah, somewhat aggressive, ah, because of their experience in the, ah, in the streets of Oakland. But I don't think the Department for the Bay Area, for the San Francisco Bay Area had a particularly racist reputation. It had a reputation as being a pretty tough police department and perhaps a physical one. But it was difficult, from our point of view, in, in law enforcement in the Department of Justice, the State of California, to say that a police department should always go, should always be legal but should always go with kid glove rules in a very rough environment. I don't think they had a bad reputation.