When did you know it was getting serious?
Well, I knew that it was kinda serious. Well, the game turned into reality when I saw him, when I saw Fred Hampton's body. Yeah, when I walked through that house and saw those bullet holes and that blood laying on his mattress. Yeah, it hit home then, I knew we were, we were in the real world and that there were people out there that was going to kill us. That was the bottom line. It was real. But before that time it was, you know, we used to walk around packed. I mean, I, I carried two guns every day for seven, eight months. We used to walk in the University of Illinois circle, campus, man, on a speaking engagement--