Interview with Joseph Rauh
QUESTION 9
INTERVIEWER:

TELL ME ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP. NOW THE YOUNG MAN WHO HAD STOOD UP SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE, BOB MOSES, WHEN DO YOU SEE BOB [unintelligible] AND WHAT HAPPENS? WHAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU SAY TO EACH OTHER?

Joseph Rauh:

Bob's mad, but that was a mistake. I'm glad to tell the story of Joe Rauh and Bob Moses ‘cause I love that man. At the convention, while I am in the Credentials Committee on Tuesday, trying to get a postponement so I can talk to Aaron Henry, Ruther, Humphrey and others of the Administration are talking to Martin Luther King, this is Tuesday afternoon, Martin Luther King, Bayard Rustin, Abernathy, Moses, Henry and a few others from the Freedom Democratic Party. While they're talking, the television, which at a Convention… anybody should know about a Convention, you never get away from a television because you may get out of touch with a big event that involves you—so the television is going, low, but somebody's listening to… so they can tell them. Somebody shouts out, "It's all over. It was unanimous for the compromise." Bob Moses lost his cool. It… it was like hitting him with a whip, like a white man hitting him with a whip, everybody had ratted on him. It wasn't true of course, because as… the fact is that I… I had even voted no. I fought for the chance of dealing it. I voted no. It was not unanimous. What happened then was after the… our credentials comm… their meeting broke up because Moses just lost his… lost himself. Our meeting broke up because it was over. Uh, Mondale had won and there were eight shouted no votes. But we went outside and Mondale and I sort of had a little pushing match for the uh, uh, television cameras, and uh, the cameras really wanted Mondale. They want the majority before they get the minority and I… I understood that. So I waited. Mondale filibustered a little bit. He was uh, savouring his victory. And he… he went along… he was having a good time talking. So I didn't get the floor for about 15 minutes. And then I blew up the idea that there was any unanimity. And I said about eight of us, and I said we may try to get enough so that we can go to the floor tonight. If we don't, we'll file a statement on the eight of us. And there was a real uh, thing. Then Bob couldn't recapture himself and he fought against it 100 percent. Uh, and he was angry, I… you couldn't reason with him that I had… that we had fought for him, that we had not accepted it. You… he… he had, he had — this had struck him like a bolt of lightning. So when that evening, when ah, we were on ah… ah, news, the Evening News, why I said that we would continue the fight. But I also said, and I… it was my position, this is a great victory which is going to end up with a new Democratic Party because of their promise that they'll never be a lily-white group again. Bob got on and said, you cannot trust the political system, "I will have nothing to do with the political system any longer." But…