Well, President Johnson was a uh, tough cookie. He uh, when he was a Senator from Texas and the majority Leader he fought against civil rights with everything he had. He represented his Texas constituency. When he came into the Presidency and even earlier the Vice Presidency, he had a national constituency and he was wonderful towards civil rights. We would fight in the ‘50s, and rub shoulders and work together in the ‘60s. I would say that he, uh, he—Lyndon Johnson's convictions were those of his constituency.