Interview with Joseph Rauh


Joseph Rauh:

You mentioned uh, two stages of pressure. There was the first one where Hubert and Ruther were carrying Johnson's orders out to get me to get out of it before the convention. The second was at the convention. See, we started, uh, I think with 8… 18, I think we had, and we only needed 11. We started with 12 states for roll call we only needed 8. Once this offer was clear they just wiped out our people. For example, uh, one of the delegates from the… one of the Credentials Committee members from California was told by Pat Brown, the Governor, that she wouldn't get her husband's judgeship if uh, they went along with me. Uh, the fellow from the Canal Zone was told he'd lose his job, uh, he was uh, a Professor down there in the Army School, he'd lose his job if they went along. The… Mayor Wagner's Secretary, a black left me uh and uh, she was… had tears in her eyes when she told me she couldn't vote. Anyway, uh, we got, were down I think from 18 to 8, and the eight were a ragtag group. No important people, nobody from California, New York or any of the important states. So Johnson was able through this pressue to uh, knock out an… the full amount. So uh, there was no way to have a minority plank. But the eight of us did file a statement uh, with the um uh, the Convention that we had voted against it. Uh, strangely enough, uh, three of the people, or four, later went in, two days later or something and signed that statement. They wanted it… the dirty dogs wanted it both ways. They wanted the blacks to think they were with them. They wanted Johnson to think they'd done what they could, which was that the statement signed then made no difference, because the Convention had approved the Credentials Committee decision.