Will you tell me about the, um, I need to ask you, I'm sorry, to incorporate my answers a little bit into your question. Nobody's hearing me or seeing me.

I see.

So you need to answer in full, in full sentences. Um, will you tell me about 1963 and the march and what was happening in Michigan in terms of civil rights?

Well I had taken the lead in, uh, bringing about Civil Rights provisions in our new State constitution. We had a Constitution Convention in, uh, 1960-61. And, uh, for the first time we wrote right into our State constitution complete Civil Rights provisions, including the establishment of a Civil Rights Commission. So I was very much interested in, uh, doing what I could to further Civil Rights and when they had the marches here in Detroit I participated in them, uh, to evidence my support.

This was the biggest march, civil rights march Detroit had even seen.

That's correct, that's correct.

Can you, can you describe it for me?

Well there were thousands in it and we marched, uh, actually it took place twice, uh, we marched up Woodward and then we marched out onto Gross Point, the place where there was restricted housing.