Interview with Bayard Rustin
QUESTION 40
INTERVIEWER:

IT'S A BIT PAINFUL TO SEE THE SAME MAN.

Bayard Rustin:

Yeah. He was a good man [tape cuts] I had, for two reasons I think, he had been a school teacher amongst Mexican-Americans and blacks and he had a feeling, certainly because he was a southerner, he could browbeat Congress because they would move on the urging on a southerner where they wouldn't move for Kennedy, who wasn't one of the boys. And thirdly because Johnson, more than anyone else, knew how to scratch backs. To get votes, he'd give 'em bridges and, and set up post offices where they weren't needed and put in [ a ] army base. And he knew how to, by himself—very skilled with Congress.