How did you learn about the murders on Monroe Street?
Well, I learned, I was told about the murders early on the morning of December 4th. I was at my apartment. And I got a call about 2:30 a.m. And a member of the Panthers told me that there was, police had b--cornered off the entire area around Fred's house and that they thought it was a shootout. And they didn't know what had happened. So I immediately got dressed and had someone to come by and pick me up. And I went over to a f--a member of the Panthers' apartment who was, lived down the street, about a block away from Fred, from where Fred was staying. And we were listening to the news accounts. We didn't know what was going on. No one could penetrate the area. We didn't know what was going on. And I guess it must have been about six, 6:15, the report on the radio came over and said that Fred Hampton had been taken to Cook County Hospital. It was a shootout, and I think at the time they said all of the individuals in the apartment had been killed. And there were some police wounded and things like that, and the, but that Fred happened to have been taken to Cook County and they thought that he was, that he had been killed. And I guess maybe about a half hour, forty-five minutes late--later they indicated Fred had indeed been, been, been killed in the, in the raid. And that's how I f--that's how I found out about it.