And he rejected the other aspect. He rejected the discipline. And I think this is what really--
Start that with O'Neal, see, using again the name.
Yeah. O'Neal, I mean, he, he would advocate all these in, in, in s- in saying excursions but he rejected the discipline of the Panthers. He did not like to sell newspapers or would not sell newspapers. He would not attend the breakfast for children programs and become a part of that. That program.