And how did you see these programs? Did you see them as being an, an end in and of themselves or were they part of a revolutionary policy?
They were part of a revolutionary policy. Some people like to say they were reform programs. We says, "No. A reform program comes from a power structure who's oppressing you. This is the people's revolutionary program which educates the people that they have to be in opposition and oppose the power structure. That is the great revolutionary character of the program." The program to us makes a statement, even if the power structure incorporates it in its system makes a statement that we're saying from the community, "That's what you should have been doing in the first darn place." So that's our attitude. That was our attitude about that.