Did you think the alliance between SNCC and the Panthers would last?
Well, I don't know. It happened that it didn't last. I mean, ah, Stokely wound up in 1969 in Scandinavia, speaking around the world, representing the Party and representing the ge--the Black people's struggle in America in general. That's the way we told him to do it, free will. But while we had developed a lot of alliances, working coalitions, I'd say maybe, with the White left in America, Stokely began to criticize that. And we told him he was wrong, that no White people run our organization, that all those people in the working coalition functions and caters to some of the needs we need based on the fact that if they are truly against racism, "If we need this kind of support, this kind of support, give it to us. If you don't give us support, get out of our way." But, ah, that spurred a situation that when I got back in early 1969 that we quietly kick Stokely out of the Black Panther Party. And so he wasn't a member any more. We didn't want a whole lot of press, at that time about it, because it's enough having a bunch of racist media trying to destroy what you represent, you know, by saying, "They've split, they've split," that kind of stuff.