Okay, at that time, it's, you know, backing off of SNCC for a second, did you believe that a revolution was starting? And what were the signs, if you did?

Oh yeah, it was there, the revolution was there. I mean, ah, when you start getting the shoot-outs and battles and 26 year-old Black Panther Party members are getting killed, particularly through the year 1969. Yes, ah, it was already going on before the Black Panther Party started. I mean, ah.