Okay, you were very much invo--
You, you were very much involved with the Civil Rights Movement in Selma, the pool integration at the University of Illinois, the March on Washington, did you see this effort in Ocean Hill-Brownsville for community control as a part of this movement, or was this a divergence?
Well, at the early stage, I didn't see it particularly as part of the movement, ah, ah, and I didn't see it against the movement. I just saw it as an effort to try to get, ah, parent and community and, ah, ah, union cooperation. I saw it in a way as kind of a backward move. And that is, that, ah, this was a period of time in which, ah, ah, there was a good deal of frustration about whether it was possible to integrate schools especially and other institutions as well. Now this came after coining the, the, the slogan Black Power which in a sense is, it, it, it, it's part of the development of the Black movement, but I would say it's not a development of the integration movement, and--
Okay, let's cut for once second.