And what were your reactions?
Well, I thought that what he had to say was important and had a lot of validity, I had not been accustomed to his, his kind of phrasing, his kind of clarity, his kind of openness. I thought surely something was going to happen drastically, because, ah, I was, ah, reared, my, ah, my folks were Methodists, and, ah, we lived a very limited, kind of, ah, lifestyle. And, ah, it was church, and school, and work, and committee meetings, and that sort of thing. And, um, I could appreciate and follow his talking about the world, various places on Earth, but his openness, and his inclusion of, ah, that African Diaspora as part of all this, was ah, a bit new to me. Ah, enlightening, enjoyable, you know, like "Hey!, you know, I , I am in this picture after all. I'm not an appendage, I am not ah, a part of the begging class, the welfare class," not that I was reared to think that. But once you leave home, and you are exposed to the broader society, ah, you begin to think, that your very existence is, is perhaps not welcomed, you know. And so that, ah, it was a delightful meeting, and I enjoyed meeting him, obviously.