How was he different, the public man from the private man?
Well, I don't know if he was, ah, really different in the sense. Ah, I would say that he smiled a lot in private, he was very gentle and understanding yet firm with his children. Ah, I found him an excellent husband, ah, but I guess his long years in prison, and then getting into the religion he was extremely disciplined. And, ah, you know, sometime it was just no let up, you know just kind of all business--