Let me try to say just one or two things about De Lord. Now this is an expression that uh, we made from time to time to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This was not out of a sense of uh, disrespect, but it was young people's way of rebelling against adults, you might say. Uh, when Dr. King would come in, we'd get two or three thousand people without much effort, so that was in our favor. But when he left, it was more difficult for us to get people to come. So that this phenomenon of Doc flying in to places where we worked, and then flying out to another place, which was needed, made it difficult for us to organize.** Not that uh it wasn't good that he came, or that we didn't want him to come, or that we tried to keep him out of somewhere, but it went with the territory. It was good, and it was bad. But that's movement. And that's the reason that I never saw any — I never had any difficulty with him coming in. 'Cause I know what would happen. He would leave, and we would be there to stay.