LET ME KIND OF DIRECT YOUR ANSWER THERE ALONG THE LINES — SOME OF THIS, AS I UNDERSTAND, WAS DIRECTED TOWARD BULL CONNOR AND PERHAPS ART HAYNES, TRYING TO GET THEM OUT OF POWER. SO COULD YOU KIND OF ADDRESS YOUR ANSWER UM, TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED THEN, AND THE REASON THERE WAS NEED FOR CHANGE.
Well, of course, uh, Bull Connor was a person who ordinarily, having charge of the police department, uh, he was the one who kept things as they were. For instance, you've probably seen the pictures where he had his dogs and fire hoses, uh, attacking blacks who were marching, and of course it was uh, I mean, the situation was unbearable, under Bull Connor, and as well as Art Haynes, as the mayor. But you know one thing, uh, during the — during those times, blacks didn't have any political power. Blacks were not voting, and many of the uh, persons who were in office, really, in order for them to be elected to office, they had to come out strong against blacks participating. And shortly after the few black votes that were, when they sought to get the support of these blacks, they would not attend black meetings openly, they would clandestinely uh, act in support of blacks without letting the general public know about it.