Interview with Frank Smith (Big Black)
QUESTION 12
SAM POLLARD:

FRANK "BIG BLACK" SMITH:

The amnesty was important, you know, for a lot of reasons. Not a lot but one or two, I'd say was very, very important. Because we knew the system. We knew the prison system, you know. And being in the yard and there was a lot of violence, a lot of assaults on both ends, you know. And there would be reprisals. And we knew that once we go back to the cells, if that would happen, and get around the conditions or the demands that we had laid out. Say, if we had said, "OK, we'll go back." We knew they was going to vamp on us. So we had to have an amnesty there. And they knew that we, they were going to try and give us charges. They was going to try and bring that up and make us the criminals and the victims or the victims or the criminals. And then we had word that something was happening overtly about an assault act. Meaning that someone had got hurt fatally, you know. They didn't name it or they didn't say that Quinn, I found this out later, had died or had got killed. But we know that he died behind negligence. Because if they had moved faster, regardless to who did it, or brought the assault on Quinn, if they had moved more speedy in getting him some medical care, I don't believe he would have died. You know, so it wasn't, he was killed, he died behind the State not bringing the right medical care or medical assistance, just like they didn't do with us. They knew that they was going to vamp Attica State Prison, but they didn't bring the right medical care. They didn't bring the spasm. They didn't bring anything there to deal with the assault that they was going to put down because they knew how they was coming in there. They had the two refugee doctors, Steinberg and Williams, but they had a problem anyway with us. So, if they had brought the right medical equipment or they had the right medical facilities hooked up, Quinn wouldn't have, and I'm quite sure, some of those 43 people or 42 other than Quinn wouldn't have died.

SAM POLLARD:

OK, cut.

SAM POLLARD:

I'm going to ask you--