Interview with Frank Smith (Big Black)
QUESTION 16
SAM POLLARD:

What did they do after, what did they make all you guys do?

FRANK "BIG BLACK" SMITH:

They made us strip.

SAM POLLARD:

Say, the--

FRANK "BIG BLACK" SMITH:

The polices made us strip, you know, the guards or the State Troopers or whoever, you know, some law enforcement person, made us strip, pull all our clothes off, made us crawl on the ground, you know, as if we were animals. You know, beating us, you know, myself, you know, they took me, you know, up off the ground and laid me on the table, you know, and burned me with cigarettes and dropped hot shells on me and spit on me, you know, saying that I was one of the person that had castrated a police, you know, and buried one alive and cut his and cut his throat, which none of this happened, was proven later, that none of this really took place. And they tortured a lot of us, you know.





SAM POLLARD:

what they make you all do.

FRANK "BIG BLACK" SMITH:

After they, when they did come in the yard, you know, they, you knew you got them when you explained it this way. It was very, very barbaric, you know, very, very cruel, you know, and I, you know and I, you know and I really feel it, you know, what they really did, you know, they ripped our clothes off, they made us crawl on the ground like we were animals, you know, and they snatched me and they, they lay me on a table, you know, and they beat me in my testicles. And they burned me with cigarettes and they dropped hot shells on me and then put a football up under my throat and they kept telling me that if it dropped they was going to kill me. And I really felt, you know, after seeing so many people shot for no apparent reason that they really were going to do this.** They set up a gauntlet in the hallway and they broke glass up in the middle of the hallway and they made people run through the gauntlet and they had 60, 30, 40 polices on each side, you know, with clubs they called nigger-sticks, and they was beating people. And it just hurt, you know, the way, you, you just see, you know, another human being treating a human being this way, you know, and it really hurt me, you know, even sitting here now, you know, describing it to you, you know, I never thought it would happen, you know. I never thought so many people would be treated like animals, you know, as the way we were treated like animals. And the way they treated me like animals, the way they beat me and after they took me off the table and ran me through the gauntlet and the way they broke my wrists, opened my head up, took me to the hospital and dumped me on the floor and, and playing with me with shotguns, pointing it in my face and putting the shot, the barrel of the shotgun over my eyes, and telling me, "Nigger we're going to kill you." You know I went through this all that afternoon and then took me up to the cell and played Russian roulette with me, you know, and left me in the cell nude, nothing to wrap up in and I'm trying to get up on the pillow to keep myself warm, you know, it was a hell of an experience, you know. And I think about it today and it really, really, it, emotionally, you know, it really grabs me but this soon too shall pass, you know. But they really treated us bad. They treated us like a bunch of animals, you know, really.