Interview with Frank Smith (Big Black)
QUESTION 3
SAM POLLARD:

Tell me what it was like in terms of getting a shower, having to just use toilet paper.

FRANK "BIG BLACK" SMITH:

There's nothing too much that you could do no more than just wait, or, or hope you get lucky or some way to get on some kind of recreational list on the weekend in order to get more than one shower. You know, shower, getting more than one shower is a problem, you know. As far as the police are, as far as the facility is concerned, the institution is concerned, there's no problem as far as the water or the availability of a shower, its there but it just wasn't, it just wasn't a thing that they would give you more than one shower per week, you know, and as far as the toilet paper, you get one, one roll of toilet paper and that lasts until it give out or until the police, until you can get someone, you know, to swag, that mean another fellow inmate that can get access to a roll of toilet paper, possibly to get a roll out the police's toilet, ah, they bathroom, because they got three, four rolls in there. So, if you one of the people, you know, that moves around the facility you might to get someone to get you a roll of toilet paper or you could swag one from your job. And then if you get busted its like a 1751 and in the statute, in the law that's like possession of drugs, that's contraband. A roll of toilet paper now, and I don't know what they think you supposed to use. I guess you're supposed to tear your sheet up, you know, and use it, which you know, really a man in prison, you know, it's dehumanizing, very dehumanizing, very barbaric the way they treated you. You know, you're not a human being anymore, you know, you're a third class citizen once you go to prison and that's the way you be treated. That's what brought the rebellion on, dehumanized conditions.

SAM POLLARD:

OK.