Just tell me about the average guard and what his motivations were and how you felt compared to them and what you were trying to do and the frustrations you encountered working as a guard in the system. Tell me about the average guard.
I was probably pretty representative of the average guard. Had a high school education, graduated from high school. And, ah, had no degree in social work and for the most part I don't think that, ah, the average correction officer wasn't interested in communicating with an inmate. They were there because it was their job. And they'd go there, they'd punch a clock. They'd be there for eight hours and they'd leave. And, ah, that was the extent of the interest in their job.