You, you campaigned in the White community, in the White ethnic community. What kind of response did you, did you receive there?

Well obviously having, uh, defeated the mayor by 20,000 votes in the primary I got very good response. And, and, uh, the--

Could you just reframe into ?

When I ran against the incumbent mayor in, in '67 in the primary election were the choice was between me and him and that campaign took us into the White ethnic areas, uh, I had every confidence that they were going to respond to me because of the fact that they had been as deprived in the White ethnic areas as the Black people had on the east side of Cleveland. And they did respond enthusiastically to the extent that I was able to defeat the mayor by 20,000 votes.