OK, stop. And then I wanted to ask you about--
So how did Washington respond to this disorder?
The response to the riot that came out of the Johnson Administration, came in the form of a phone call to me saying, "The word has some out from the White House: no more grants for Detroit, we don't reward rioters." So at that point we took whatever necessary steps there were to try to counter that and, ah, we were successful to a limited extent because also Jerry Cavanagh was against the war in Vietnam and had spoken out during his Senatorial race against Soapy Williams for the Democratic nomination and we were already on the special list called the S List and so, ah, we were having difficulty anyhow.
So how did, how did Washington respond to this?
The response we got out of Washington was a, in the nature of a phone call from a friend of mine who said, "The word has just come out of the White House: no more grants for Detroit, we don't reward rioters." Well, here we were in the middle of all this devastation, the deaths that had occurred, our efforts to pull the community back together again, and no support was going to come from the area that you would expect there would be.