What brought you, first brought you in contact with the Panthers in '68 and '69. What were you doing?
Well, I was a law student, and was working in an office which came to be known as the People's Law Office. And, that summer in '69, uh, a lot was going on between the Panthers and, uh, the police here in the city. And we, as young lawyers who were involved with, and had an interest in defending people who were involved in the struggle for social change, ended up being the lawyers for the Panthers. And so, the first thing I did with regard to that was work on a bond petition, uh, for Fred Hampton, who was in jail at the time, who had been sent to jail by Ed Hanrahan, for, uh, supposedly stealing $71 worth of ice-cream. So I was going around getting statements from people, uh, in the community, and, uh, t--about what kind of a person Fred Hampton was. So I kind of knew Fred Hampton before I ever met him. And I understood what kind of a person he was, what kind of a leader he was. You know, he was my contemporary, he was even younger than I was. I was probably 23 or something like that, a first year law student, and he was 20, 21. And obviously he impressed me even before I had met him. Uh--