And you really saw, from one step removed, the kind of police and legal harassment that these guys were facing. What, what were some of the things that really struck you as you became involved in their legal struggles with them?
Well, it was just one thing after another. It was people being framed and, and sent to jail. It was people, uh, there were shoot-outs between the police and the Panthers. It always seemed that the police would go by the headquarters on Madison street, and, uh, provoke something. And then there'd be some shooting, and people would be arrested, and they'd be charged with attempted murder, and people would be getting shot. And, uh, those were the kinds of things that were happening all through the summer, and, uh, there was a question even then kind of, uh, in our minds about was this more organized than just some kind of, uh, hit or miss type of thing with the police? Was there something bigger behind this, because of course in the national government at that time we had Nixon and, and, and Mitchell, and, and they had made no bones about what they thought about the Black liberation struggle and what, and of course, Hoover, uh, the main man, and what they were doing. So, although we didn't know then, what we know now is certainly was there right in our faces, what, what, what the kind of repression that was going on.