OK, and, ah, finally, you were talking about the Black Panthers. What, how did you view the Black Panthers in this conflict? What role did they take in Ocean Hill-Brownsville?
The only thing--they didn't interfere with anything.
The Black Panthers--
The Black Panthers didn't interfere with anything. The Black Panthers, you have to remember, at that time, you didn't have like it is now, ah, citywide breakfast programs in the schools. All right. Our schools, we had breakfast programs where people from the community would serve the children breakfast in the schools. The Black Panthers had programs where they fed the children breakfasts. OK? They had a program where we had many vacant lots, buildings, buildings that were torn down. Many vacant lots. And there were dogs running around. Children were getting bitten. And you would call the, the people to come and do something about it. And they wouldn't come. People were afraid to come in to the neighborhood. The dogcatchers were afraid to come to the neighborhood. And as a result these kids were being bitten. The Panthers were doing something about these dogs, as I said. And they were feeding these kids dinner sometimes also. And they just would, they mirrored parents.
Let's stop a second.