Tell me about when Malcolm came in and talked to you.
Was the date on that 1965?
I think it was '64.
'64. After Malcolm went to Mecca, and I heard from him a couple times, postcards, was all. But he had some confidence in me, felt that I was a friend. And as he began to, learn, and he felt that certain White reporters were trustworthy, and he used to write to me, occasionally. After Malcolm came back from Mecca, uhm, I wanted to talk to him. I was at CBS by then. And he came into my office and said to me, in effect--as a matter of fact, I'm trying to think, I don't want to say--make up what I don't remember. Malcolm came to my office at CBS and suggested that he was in danger. I said, "What are you talking about?" "They are out to get me." "Who?" "The Black Muslims." "Why?" "And I'll tell you why," he said. And then he began to tell me a tale about Elijah Muhammad as a lecher. And I said, "What do you mean a lecher?" He fathered children by young women whom he had taken as secretaries from out of town. Not one, not two, but several women. And I found that very difficult to believe. He said, "Mike, I will prove it to you. I will get on the phone with some of the people who are now living in Los Angeles. And I'll let you listen." And indeed that's what happened, he called a couple of women on the West Coast, we have a transcript of that conversation. Because also listening was my secretary, a young southern woman who was scared to death by what she heard. But it was quite apparent from that phone conversation, that indeed, the allegations by Malcolm were correct, that Elijah Mohammed had fathered children by a group of people, a group of young women, who had been working as his secretaries. He felt that because of that, and I suggested to him. "Malcolm, you start talking about this publicly, and you are going to get killed." And he said, in effect, he knew there was this danger, but he was going to go ahead with it. He was killed--what was the date of his death?
February 21st, '65.
It was only a very short time later that he was gunned down, here in New York City.