When you met him after he returned from Mecca, did he seemed like a changed man to you in any way?
Yeah, when he returned from Mecca he did indeed seem like a changed man. It's as those he had made an extraordinary discovery of himself, and of White people in general. It's as though that, that, that voyage, not just to Mecca but to the Middle East. And rubbing up against White reporters, and rubbing up against a variety of people had simply broadened his view of life. He was, he was such an intelligent man anyway, such a capable man, such a charismatic man. And I felt, I had felt that he was beginning... to get an education even as I was getting educated about the Black community then, he was beginning to be educated about the White community.
Very interesting, we're pretty much out of the questions that I had prepared--