What about Malcolm X? You've been talking about the Muslims, tell me a little bit about your first impression of Malcolm X in that program?
Ah, my impression of Malcolm X, my impression of Malcolm X on that first program was that he was a demagogue, racist--what some people think of Louis Farakkhan today is what I felt about Malcolm X when I first saw on film, not in person, what he had said about Whites. That's what I felt about him. And only later did I meet him and begin to talk to him. And become a friend of Malcolm's, as he began to understand I think Whites better. As he began to... I think that Malcolm... what the heck am I trying to say here? Maybe I should wait--
Let's stop down here for a moment.