Interview with Philip Watkins
QUESTION 8
JAMES A. DeVINNEY:

Tell me how you started to become aware of the change?

PHILIP WATKINS:

Well, the inmates that were--

JAMES A. DeVINNEY:

Start at first you didn't, at first you didn't think it was going to be too long. Tell me that.

PHILIP WATKINS:

OK. At first we're bringing, the inmates are bringing hos--COs, hostages.

JAMES A. DeVINNEY:

No, you said, "At first I didn't think it was going to be too long." That's what I want to hear. But then when did it change? OK, stop down, stop down. I didn't mean to confuse you. Well when we were talking there you said, "Well first we thought it was only going to be a few hours but then"



JAMES A. DeVINNEY:

The words were, and I don't mean to put words into your mouth, but they're your words. Let me do it for you. Just a moment, it was you telling me what happened.

PHILIP WATKINS:

OK, as I was in the yard, ah, the inmates were bringing other hostages out in the yard and they formed a group of hostages. I think there was 40, eventually the group grow to about 40 or so. Ah,, we all thought at the time that it would be over in a matter of six, eight hours. Then, of course it started getting dark and we knew they wouldn't come in and secure the prison after dark. We knew the State Troopers were coming in and then we knew that we were in a world of trouble. That, ah, we just, we just thought that, ah, the prison would be re--retaken immediately but it wasn't. And, ah, as time went on, we, we were in for a long siege and certainly after the, the negotiators started coming in and, ah, these other people that they let in, ah, observers then we knew we were, it was bad times.