Um, t--tell me, tell me about the Panthers in the late '60s where you grew up in Chicago. What did you think about them and what they were doing?

Well, the way I think of them, they were.

No, frame your answers, "The way I think of the Panthers--"

The way I think of the Panthers were--

Start again. No problem.

I got scared. The way I thought of the Panthers were, the things that they had did for the people, ah, as far as the feeding, the hunger of the children in the area. I was raised in Henry Horner Projects and I attended Cr--Crane and McKinley School, so I got a chance to see them. Because I would come down to Western and Madison and right at Madison and Western there was a Vienna hot dog stand and they lived, they're, well their center was next door. So you have to go up stairs. So, I, many times I want to be quisitive[SIC], go up there and see what they were doing, which I did, which I wasn't supposed to be over there but I was there and I thought the things that they were doing was really marvelous because it was just like, which would we need today, people feeding someone. I felt like it was a great deal because they had it there, where children shouldn't have been hungry. I know a lot of mothers didn't want to feed the child so they sent them to school hungry. But, here was a place that fed them. You could go there anytime to eat. I imagine even with the bums later in the evening, they went up there but, how did I know? I don't know, but I'm just saying maybe that was on too.