How did the style of the Panthers, and more than just fashion, how did the style of the Panthers influence White radical organizations at that time?
Well, I think, uh, we were very much becoming, there was a transition for us. I think in the early '60s we were, we were basically reform minded. We wanted to be, reform the society as, as we had sort of been led to believe it should be, growing up in this society. Then when it refused to change, both in terms of civil rights, and then later in terms of the war, we just, we became more and more, I think, seeing ourselves as revolutionaries. And the Panthers represented a break with this sort of reformist way of doing things. They were ready to sort of, to some extent, you know, stand up and defend themselves to create a liberation movement which, you know, armed itself, which had a military side to it, and that sort of appealed to us. 'Cause Che Guevara was a hero of mine, right? So he used to sort of, as we were kind of getting closer to the Cubans and to the Vietnamese and to the Chinese in terms of their way of thinking, you know, this militaristic and, uh, organized, hierarchical kind of sort of institutional structure of a party really became more and more attractive. Because we had been this amorphous kind of SDS and student movement and everybody doing their own thing. And this seemed serious to us.