Okay, in 1965, what made you think that the time was right to, to elect a Black mayor in Cleveland? What, what, what was the sign? What, what was going on that made you think that the--
Well, at that particular time we had a little political club called the Non-Partisan Voters League. And Jean Murrell Capers was head of it and she had studied the statistics of the Black vote in Cleveland. And she knew that there were enough registered Blacks at that particular time to elect a mayor or a public official if it were a three way vote. And in order for it to be a three man vo--that is, if the candidate did not have to qualify in the primary. And if you, you can qualify by going out, getting an extra amount of signatures and run as an independent. And you'll be assured of a place on the ballot.