After the election was over and Stokes had won, what, what do you think that you had achieved? What did, what did you think you had achieved with the election of Carl Stokes?
Good government. And everybody led us to believe it, and we could have achieved good government. At that particular time people were pouring money into here, uh, let's get, what Cleveland NOW funds and we thought that possibly he'd be able to attract a lot of federal gan--grants that would do well in housing, and improve the, uh, police department. We just thought everything would be better.