Did you have to sell Carl Stokes to the Black community? Did you have to convince people to vote for, for Carl?
Well, a certain section. We couldn't sell the politicians in '65 but we had no, no, not much of a problem of selling him to the, uh, uh, Black community. They were used to the name of Stokes. Stokes had run for state legislator on a bed sheet ballot. You know, like seventeen names all in one. And he didn't come in number seventeen. He came in something like, uh, ten or eleven. They were used to the name of Stokes. So, uh, they thought it would be nice to have a Black mayor. We all thought so. We'd had one of every other ethnic, uh, persuasion. Why not a Black?