Do you have any particular memory of your first experience with it?
Yes, the first experience of violence that I had was the Newark Riot. The governor went in the first night and immediately called the people who were rioting "hooligans," much to the distaste of some of us who were working with him at the time. But within hours, the governor, who was a remarkable man, was meeting with the, what I'd call the rational leaders of the Black community, and he called me in immediately, because he knew that the time was now for rapprochement rather than for confrontation. And with my group of people who had dealt with the, the Black community of Newark before, we had acceptance and could immediately start negotiations. But it was in a climate, if you can imagine, 38 people, as I recall, were killed in Newark, shot on the streets, and gunfire was going around. We were in the head command post of the Newark Armory with all the ap--apparatus and paraphernalia of the military, but the governor was extraordinarily sensitive to people he knew who had legitimate reason for complaint.
It's a battle, isn't it? It's a, a--
It's a battle, it's a battle environment.