I'm trying to remember if they're historically accurate.
We can let you know about the accuracy here.
Don't let me lie.
I won't let you lie. Paul, the late '50s, early '60s, the Civil Rights Movement, Little Rock, the shift in the Democratic Party to John F. Kennedy, but the movement is going on, it's, it's attracting national attention. Do you have first memories of the movement in your own life, and what do you think it, it was doing to White America?
My memory is, starts when, being with the Ford Foundation, worried about urban problems, and suddenly seeing that the major problem was not economics, government, or whatever, it was, it was human, and the passage of people migrating into the cities, into, attempting to get into the mainstream. So we changed the Ford Foundation emphasis in the late '50s. Bob Weaver was then working with us, and turned it to the human condition of those who had recently migrated into the city. That led me then to deal with the Whitney Youngs and others and be--to become aware of, more aware of the, of the movement that was on the rise.
Don't use Ford Foundation because it will make it sound like a--
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