YOU WERE KEY IN THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY, TRYING TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ABOUT BIRMINGHAM. WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THOSE MEETINGS?
Well, I had worked with the National Council of Churches before going to ah, SCLC, and I had met a young woman who was the Director of Religious Education for the Alabama Diocese of the Episcopal Church. Ah, we always understood that non-violence required negotiations as HA. well as demonstrations, ah, and reconciliation. Ah, and um, so we always tried to have somebody to talk to. Nobody would talk to us in Birmingham. So I told Martin that I knew this young woman and that perhaps she would arrange for him to meet with the Bishop of the Episcopal Church. So it was through Peggy Horn that ah, meetings were set up with the… with Bishop ah Murray of the Episcopal Church who then brought in the business cotmnunity. And once a week we basically went down to meet with them. Martin went at first, after that Iwent on a regular basis. But we wanted to tell them what the movement was about, we wanted to answer their questions, we told them exactly what we were going to do, and why we were going to do it, and we pretty much told them what was going to happen.