How is it that you started working with the Panthers?
Yeah. Well, I was pretty active in the Civil Rights Movement. I was most related to the Medical Committee for Human Rights nationally and locally in the burgeoning coalition that ultimately brought Dr. King here. I was active in both. And I'm a physician and was very interested in the health issues involved in those movements, those movements. And early on, Al Raby, who had emerged as the youthful leader of the CCCO, the Coalition of Community Organizations[SIC][Coordinating Council of Community Organizations], and himself a teacher. He gave up the teaching to lead the group. Nevertheless, he had contacts with young students, Black students, and he asked me if I would see a youngster, couldn't have been more than 16, maybe, 17, who had the nickname "Doc" Satchel. Ronald, I think is his real name. Doc Satchel was sent to me because he was interested in the health issue, and he was a young Panther. He was very un-Panther-like. He was a very slight young man, maybe five foot seven, probably more like five-six. Weighed about 120 pounds dripping wet. Very soft spoken. Very, very modest in his presentation. I was, of course, excited that a young high school student would be interested in the health issue. And he came, not with a lot of formal knowledge, but a real sense that this was one of the programs, they had breakfast programs, and they had health clinics in their founding place in California. And this was the Chicago expression and he wanted to learn all about it.